The Real College Conversation: What Every Parent Needs to Know Before (and After) Freshman Year

Your kid does not need a dozen friends. They don't need a whole friend group. They don't need a sorority. What they need is meaningful connection with people on campus. And a lot of kids wait until they're miserable to start thinking about, because they don't feel really connected to their school, the community there.

And there are a lot of clubs, organizations, sports, activities, professors, you know, the list is really long. And that's what I would really encourage. Because when kids feel more connected to others, to meaning, to purpose, to their campus life, they tend to be happier.

Welcome back to the Parenting Pair Podcast. I'm Dr. Annalise Caron.

And I'm Dr. Suzanne Allen.

And we are super excited today to jump into here we are in June, and all of the college kids are home. And there's always a subset of kids, young adults, who come home. And maybe they're after freshman year, and maybe college didn't go as they hoped it might. And we think this is a timely topic and an important one. And we brought in two amazing guests to discuss this with us.

Please welcome Doctor. Liz Seidler and Doctor. Sara Olivo. They are two clinical psychologists who are absolutely renowned and excellent. They located they run their own practices in Ridgefield, Connecticut and Nashville, Tennessee.

They have a wide range of expertise working with children, adolescents, parents, families and adults, really treating the range of mental health concerns from anxiety, depression, adjustment to college, emotion dysregulation concerns, the whole gamut, with lots of clinical experience and expertise in different treatment modalities, including CBT and DVD and ACT and so many important empirically supported treatments. But we asked them to come on our podcast today to talk specifically about an expertise that they've really grown in the last four to five years and really focused on as they are the co hosts of the College Is Fine, Everything's Fine, and I just love that title, podcast, which is really aimed towards college students, late high school students and college students making that transition to becoming independent and living on their own, And everything that goes along with that. Lots of ups, lots of downs. They sometimes interview college students. But I know I've recommended it to my own clients, some of the young adults that I work with, because they just have great psychologically backed tips that students can take with them as they're kind of navigating their way through this period of big adjustment.

And so we thought they would just be the best to come on and talk with us today. I'm gonna ask them both just to say their names and introduce themselves briefly because we've never had four voices on our podcast at the same time. So welcome, Doctor. Liz Seidler and Doctor. Sara Olivo.

Oh, man. That was a wonderful introduction.

I knew it. Can you guys just follow us around? I'd be delighted to.

The raspier voice is Doctor. Liz Seidler. And you know, a lot of wonderful things were already said. But yeah, I'm a clinical psychologist. I love working with college students.

I'm really excited to hopefully give some hope and faith to families and college students, that might be feeling a little somber, disappointed in terms of how this past year went and hopefully get more resilient for the fall. So I'm really excited to chat with you guys.

Yeah. And the, you say rasp your voice. It's the voice I always wish I had. So I'm always jealous, but, this is doctor Sarah Olivo, formerly a New Yorker, now a native Nashville Tennessean. Or I shouldn't say native, they would get mad at me if I said that.

So I but I I live here and I have a practice, private practice here and work a lot with the college students in the area. And have just gotten to experience some of the beginner's mind, community building that I talk about managing social anxiety and all the things. So some lived experience and that I helps me understand what it's like to be in a new place, miss home, all those things.

Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely.

I am so glad for speaking with you today because I I had the great opportunity over the last few weeks to see so many of my kids' friends come home from school. It's been such an exciting time and hearing, you know, how things are going. But I always feel for them because similar to when kids are about to know, are going through the college process and everyone they run into is like, where are you gonna go to school? Where'd you get in? What are you gonna do?

Right? When you come home from school, I find that I hear all the adults asking questions of, do you love it? Did you have so much fun? What's the you know, and I think that puts a lot of pressure on like, you should have loved it. And so I'm curious since you work with so many college students and speak to so many college students, what are some of the things you hear about when they're talking about maybe what was difficult during freshman year?

What were some of those challenges when things didn't go as planned or as expected?

Suzanne, I'm glad you brought that up because then, hopefully, we'll talk a little bit later about what adults can do to, like, support and give advice or have conversations around the college experience because

they're just grasping at straws of trying to make good conversation.

And it's oh, you know, the reality is it's often a lot messier than they anticipated it was going to be. And I would say that the two areas and what kind of makes college, you know, what it is is academic and socials. And I think that a lot of college students that thrived academically are sometimes surprised that they have a challenge academically, both in terms of, like, knowing what they wanna study and also just their time management and organizational skills. I always say college students have way more time on their hands than high school students do, and that can be a challenge that they don't anticipate. And then we talk, Sarah and I, a lot about this and is that this expectation that you're going to find your people like immediately, like, you know, a parent who might say like, my roommate ended up being my best friend and we still like go away once a year together.

And then a call shouldn't come to home and they're like, I hated my roommate. I didn't like anyone on my floor and I feel a lot lonelier than I anticipated I was going to be. I would say those two areas. Of course, there's a whole other, you know, I don't know, Sarah, you have any other issues that kind of come up. But I think, you know, the academic piece and the social piece tends to be the biggest thing that people are shocked that their adjustment isn't as easy as they anticipated.

Right. I think that it's like a lot of things that are new, there are going to be fun surprises and less fun surprises. And I think one of the things we hear just across the board is even if you've had a good quote unquote year, there have still been some lows and surprises and shocks during that year that it's much more normal to feel incredibly lonely or to feel like you're kind of trying to keep your head above water even if overall the experience was was a good one.

Mhmm.

That there's still a lot of very normal stress that goes on. So they might not be necessarily struggling, but that they're if we don't normalize some of the things that happen like loneliness or academically feeling overwhelmed or or maybe wanting to shift, a major that they their parents have really been invested in. So even if they're not struggling openly, there are a lot of things that can be going on in the mind of a recently a recent freshman. The other part is too, I think that of course, there are times where people really have struggled and are saying to themselves like, okay, yes, I made it through but barely, you know, but it's gonna be maybe not in all areas, in one particular area. And I think it's nice to say, hey, so we can use that experience to learn as opposed to seeing it as a failure.

And again, it's not uncommon to have one or more areas feel like more different than you anticipated. And you might need a few new ways of handling it going into sophomore year or your next year.

As I'm listening to you talk, I think it lends itself to kind of, you know, two areas of guidance for our parents, you know, that that are listening to the podcast today. Because myself, with a senior in high school, I'm listening to both thinking, oh, there are probably some conversations and some things that I need to normalize or maybe deemphasize that could be helpful in coping ahead for what's to come. But if you're in I'd almost like to start, because that's how we framed it, with if you're a parent of a young person who came home where, for whatever the reason, whether it be academic, socially, or otherwise, things didn't go as planned or as you'd hoped or your child had hoped. What do we do kind of right now? How can parents best support in this kind of moment of adjustment back where maybe some friends really did, you know, adjust in a way that felt better to them?

And how can parents kind of support their kids as as they're they've kind of dropped themselves back in the in in the family home with the younger siblings and all, you know?

The you know, when you started to talk about this, Sarah and I are talking to somebody later and we can share this resource for your listeners. But her name is doctor Alexis Redding and she's at Harvard and she's a developmental psychologist and she has a book coming out where she studied like stories of college students, kind of archival stories and interviews from the seventies and then and reinterviewed them. And one of the things that she gives advice that I thought was like so important is the stories that we tell our young adults about what college was like for us, what we think college is going to be like. And she talks about how malleable the memory is that we often tend to leave out the emotional valleys of what college was really like and we focus on the positives. So we tend to do these like positive kind of coping statements and, you know, whether we say it's gonna be the best year or four years of your life and even our own memory of college tends to we tend to remember it in a really positive mindset.

And that's the story that's often shared to young adults. So I think the first step for my opinion, aside from maybe all the skill development that potentially could help, you know, parents can help scaffold, is to be mindful of what kind of narrative you're telling your children about what college is going to be like. You know, I think being balanced that they're going to be like these amazing moments and that they're going to be really difficult moments and that both are really normal. And so maybe take a moment to think back, although I remember even myself, if someone was to ask me about college, it was the best four years of my life. I have such positive memories of it.

But if I really was thoughtful about my experience, there were some really hard moments like medical moments even. Like my eardrum ruptured. Like, I had mono twice. Like, there were really I forgot a day of my final. Like, there were difficult moments that I think are important to, like, conversations to have with young adults so that they really see that, you know, that that's normal, and not feel like this expectation that everything's gonna be perfect is what reality should be like.

I was actually just as you were talking realizing that because I'm I'm here we are. We sort of see some things time sometimes as parents and can look ahead based on what the work we do. And I'm thinking, so I have not been someone who said, Oh my gosh, you know, my alma mater, want you to go, know, all those kinds of things. So there's, I knew that that might be something to shift away from just based on guidance and reading not instinct by any stretch. And but I also realized that my kids probably see a lot of my friendships.

So that we've been discussing it, I make assumptions about these friendships. And and honestly, of these friendships come from later in life that we happen to get together. But the the, you know, there were a lot of ups and downs. So, think even just, you know, putting it out there, even if you're not discussing it or something like, oh, you must go to my alma mater and it was the best for years. They might not realize that some of the things you do or when you go back to college reunions, etcetera.

It's good to invite new conversation in I think and just to say, oh my god, this thing was great. Helped me remember this one time where I really struggled. You know, to kind of add or like, you know, sprinkle it in. The other thing I was gonna say is a strategy I use with my kids and I wouldn't necessarily do this with a young adult per se, but I've noticed that they will ask if I say what's your rose thorn and bloom is the way you say it. It's just an invitation.

A lot of times questions are essentially a command to tell you something. And are there more ways to sort of have it feel gentle just to say, oh my gosh, like what what do you what was your you know, what was your highest point? Where are there what were your lowest points? Are there things you're excited about or anticipating? It's just a question that allows them to answer if they want to to share what they want, but it also gives a hint of I'm open to hearing about things that weren't so great or things that you might be anxious about.

Right. I I think unknowingly, sometimes we can give those messages, and it's really helpful for you guys to to point that out. It's interesting listening. I I do hear a lot college is the best four years of your life, and that just sounds like so much pressure. For me, it really wasn't at all.

It it you know, high school was better. Grad school was better. College, I transferred schools. It was fine. But sometimes, I almost might even go a little bit further.

Like, it's it's just four years. We hope it's good. Things are gonna change. I'm you know, let me know how it goes. I'm here for you.

I don't know. I don't mean to be I hope that doesn't strike a somber term tone. But

I don't think you could be somber if you tried. Thank

you. Thank you very much for that. But, you know, you're just highlighting the pressure that sometimes very well intentioned comments can can make for kids if it feels disparate for

them. Yeah. Mhmm. And I think as therapists, we think a lot about our questions. Right?

With patients, we we are thinking about that. I I realize sometimes in my personal life and as a parent and that I am not as thoughtful sometimes about those those questions. So it's just, you know, you're right. Sometimes we ask, like, how was the year? Oh my gosh.

We're so great. And our faces are so excited and joyful makes it really hard for a young person to say, it was awful, or I didn't make any friends, or my my friend group I met dropped me because they all rushed to sorority and I didn't make it in. Right? Versus trying to, you know, maybe ask some more balanced questions as a parent, you know, or like, was there anything that kind of surprised you this year either in a good way or in a in a really hard way, you know, maybe opens it up?

And I think on the flip side, I think, you know, I'm starting if I think about it from a parent perspective, if they say I'm having a hard time, a parent might feel really anxious about that. So even just this gives some sense of for the parents sake some some ideas of this is normal. You know, lot of this is normal and or fixable. There's a strategy, you know, the vast majority of things are gonna be coming to you with are likely to be things that 99.9% of the other students are also dealing with but not saying out loud. So just yet to give some parents also a little bit of reassurance that if or when they do say something, to also know from the parents side, that's normal.

People struggle. They they get through it. It is just four years. Even if it's not the best four years.

I think too, if I could add that, I think there's so much conversation about, you know, an academic plan, even like decorating your dorm room. Right. But there's not this idea of like an emotional plan. Like, what are you going to do emotionally when you're at school, particularly if you're coming home and students had a difficult year? Parents are often disappointed, potentially scared, worried, angry.

Right. To really instead of panicking, you know, really try to rationally think about, okay, it was hard for you emotionally this past year and let's try to figure out what what's a different plan that we could kind of put into place. And oftentimes parents are really good about supporting that plan when their kid is within their home. Right. And they might even have some ideas of ways like I noticed when, you know, you were really anxious, these are things that were really helpful to you in high school.

How can we think about in this new environment, how you can have strategies to kind of handle your anxiety better than you did this past year? Right. So there's no I think that's an example of like, I think there's time over the summer to develop an emotional plan for students to cope better in the following year and to really just be curious rather than panic about information gathering about the past year before rushing into solutions.

100%. And that's what we wanted to do with our podcast. That was initial and current goal still is, like, let's have a library of places people can go, kind of archive some advice for for specific situations.

And and it really has been something that I've, you know, that there are certain episodes that have really great actionable strategies that your college student could even just search through, you know, The College Is Fine Podcast. Like, oh, you know, I'm struggling with how to navigate this with this professor. Or, you know, I'm running low on money, I don't know how to tell mom and dad. You know, whatever it may be. You know, but how from a communication standpoint, emotional standpoint, there's lots of good tidbits in your podcast.

So I also when you were talking about the coping strategies, it also feels like it's June. You're listening at the time that we put this out, summer is a great time to maybe try to get in new habits or try new coping things, even if it's just taking a walk in nature, you know, for ten minutes a day, whatever it might be, you could get in the habit while you're home or try it out.

I was also going to share that, you know, I was talking to a few students maybe about two weeks ago, and I had asked them like, you know, their parents maybe were in the angry, disappointed kind of camp. And I again, I think that if you're a college student listening and are kind of coming home to an unhappy household because of the semester, I hope you can understand that usually that comes from anxiety and worry. But I'd ask a few of my clients like, what do you wish your parents had like kind of done differently? Like when you came home and many of them did a lot of things that again are hard to implement. I want to acknowledge even as a parent of myself to three kids that I struggle with this and even as a clinician listening, just listening.

Right. And like really what I call pregnant pause, which is a long pause before kind of nine month pause. Yeah. Asking it, asking if they want help, you know, like just like not jumping right into problem solving like about, you know, offering suggestions that are big suggestions, transferring, switching a major, you know, like mom hopping on like some Facebook mom group to talk and like post something. Right?

So I think most of them had some elements of like, wish my parents were calmer. I wish they like acknowledged how hard this was for me.

I wish they would have

just listened to me. Right? And that we problem solve together as opposed to the parent kind of problem solving for the student. Right.

I think sometimes too, if you're a parent, I try to practice this where I'm like, okay, it doesn't have to just all be figured out in one conversation and allow yourself the space to hear it. And listen. It does not mean you have to not have a consequence or hard discussion but I think giving yourself that first thing of like, okay, I'm just for step one is listen. Right? Because I think sometimes parents feel pressure.

Well, like if I just listen, I'm accepting the behavior and we got to get on this and then Right. And I wanna acknowledge that there might need to be harder conversations that happen later. Sure. But if you see it more as like step one, just allowing it and then oftentimes you're gonna be able to sit with it, think about it, discuss it with a, you know, a co parent or something. Because I think if you just see it as the first step is to listen, then it helps you really stay in the moment and say, okay, that's all I need to do for this part of the conversation.

It's not the end and the only thing I need to do. Mhmm.

And I also think things tend to come out over time, you know, with teenagers and young adults. Mhmm. You know, if you start from that listening stance, even if you might feel very anxious or angry about whatever has happened or gone on for your for your young person, I think that listening what may come out in the first conversation may not be everything that comes out in the second conversation. But if you can keep that kind of open stance, sometimes, in my experience, young people then feel more comfortable to maybe admit, well, know, and there was this substance issue or and there was, you know, I whatever. And I maybe I need help with this or maybe I'm just acknowledging this.

But but if we go to, as parents, you know, wanting to help, we're catastrophizing and trying to fix it, we might we might fix the wrong thing or we might fix it in the wrong way. Mhmm. Right?

And I think what what you're speaking to, I think, another another piece is that I think one of the most valuable skills in college is learning how to ask for help. And whether that means like a professor or being able to go to the health center on your own, make an appointment, go to disability services. And, you know, the four of us as clinicians practice evidence based treatments. And I always like to remind patients and families that the goal of evidence based therapies is to build self efficacy, that you feel confident in your ability when a problem arises, that you can solve it. Right?

So I think parents reminding themselves, yes, your students need support, but they also need opportunities to develop confidence in their own ability to solve problems. And part of that is advocating within their college system, if that's one of the problem areas that you've kind of identified after some conversations.

Mhmm. Mhmm. Don't remember which one of us said it, but someone mentioned parent chat groups. And I would like to take a moment to acknowledge the beauty and the beast that is Parent's Packers. And how many times I have worked with people who have found wonderful resources through them.

And at the same time, have felt needless worry or anxiety because of various things, comparisons to, you know, comparing their kids worst kind of or biggest weaknesses to another student's biggest strengths and acting as if that just just so much can come from reading those. Again, so much good and so much struggle. Do you guys see that a lot? Have you worked with parents who it seems like there's something to me where I'm sometimes saying, hey, let's let's talk about your relationships to these chats. You know, they're again, don't wanna turn them off necessarily, but for some people, maybe depending on how they're using them.

Yeah. And I think this you know, it's interesting because I think this is a conversation I have with a lot of young people, but have found over the years having increasingly with parents, just because something exists doesn't mean you need to be a part of it. And really thinking about how how does this serve you and that there may be losses if you get off that chat. Right? Or or and maybe those losses are too great or maybe the gains by removing yourself from that short.

You might miss a couple of the messages about this updated thing or or that updated thing. But, you know, sometimes we wanna approach things that make us really anxious and stressed and and find ways to kind of live within that in our world. And other times, it's worth changing our environment and asking ourselves, like Right. Is it really necessary for me to have this? Is it serving me?

And I and I find that with the I had a personal experience with it just a few weeks ago where I I got on one, which is something I never do. And then I saw a number of parents posting about how their kids had had a tough year and were really unhappy there. And this is a school my child was going to, and it kind of spun me out

of, didn't it? As a freshman that this upcoming in a couple few months.

Did I make the wrong decision? And then I was like, but

it didn't your decision, Suzanne.

No. And I don't even know these people and their child's and their experience is valid. Yes. But I don't know if that was serving me as a parent who's about to send her first child away. Right?

So it I I think it's hitting pause and sometimes asking, you know, just because this chat exists, does it mean that I need to be on it?

Right. Right. I mean, as parents, right, if when we care, it means we're also the flip side of that is gonna be that we sometimes care too much about the wrong thing. Right? We don't always get our worry right.

Yeah. So, I think that's something I had to remind myself of it too. I mean, all the things that we are talking about, it's hilarious as I'm listing it being like, oh, there's this one time.

Yeah. Right. I think they all and it's so insidious. You don't even realize it's happening. You you know, because the the the groups in your Facebook feed or in your Instagram feed, they just sort of come.

They find you. The algorithm finds you. And I think sometimes, you're not you're not even aware that it's happening. But I think your advice to just be mindful of that. How is this working for me?

Do I need to put this on pause or maybe disengage from this group or limit it in some way? Because you're right. It can send us into, you know, like the spinout, like Suzanne described.

Yeah. And maybe the thread, you know, I know you said it's step one, but I actually think it's a massive step is just listening. Right? Listening to ourselves and what are the worries we as parents or thoughts or beliefs we might be holding on to, and and then really creating a lot of space to listen to young people as well. Because

that Yeah.

That's actually a lot harder. Like, you know, like, beat the be curious part, we we did a whole podcast on that because Yeah. It's really hard. We say it all the time, but when you try to be curious in very difficult moments or sad moments or scary moments

Mhmm.

Your brain is getting hijacked into a million different directions.

Right.

I would like to jump in here, just in the spirit of time, because Doctor. Olivo and Doctor. Seidler spend so much time talking with college students. And we were talking about, you know, that parents could maybe, you know, certainly be mindful of their own choices and really listen to themselves and their their teens. But you talk to college kids all the time, and you listen deeply to them all the time.

What sorts of things, you know, certain have they told you, have college students told you that they found really helped them or were protective for them or helped in their transition or helped them regroup, whether it be in an academic situation or a social situation or just in their adjustment? You know, are there a few things that parents listening to our podcast today could keep in mind as as things that they might gently suggest if the moment was right or, you know, bring up with their teens if if you know, or college students if they felt it could be useful? What what have you heard from kids?

I'll jump in really quickly with something because I think it came up recently, but I I think it's it will strike a chord here, which is I don't think parents realize that college students also can worry about the parents. They True. Worry that they might be stressing their parents out. And so we talked a lot about maybe not getting angry or not showing anger but long list. You know, we've talked a lot about that but I also wanna remind parents that sometimes they're doing things or not talking to you because they see you tear up when they're sharing it etcetera, which you know, it's not to say be a robot.

But I also want I think that the more you can allow your your student, your young adult to see that this is hard but I also have I got you, you know, so just remember that they can worry about you too. Think. Right. And take that into however you need to take that, take it. Yeah.

I was just gonna say quickly, think if parents were really thinking about what helps any of us, Sarah kind of started this podcast talking about like moving to a new city and a new community, a new area, is connection is what really helps foster good psychological well-being. And if and if you really think about it, a lot of kids leave a community where they feel very connected, whether it's through a youth group, sports, all their extracurricular activities that they might be doing to cushion for, college. But that was serving a really important psychological function, and it usually is missing when they get to college. And I think that's one of the things that parents can really remember. Your kid does not need a dozen friends.

They don't need a whole friend group. They don't need a sorority. What they need is meaningful connection with people on campus. And, a lot of kids wait until they're miserable to start thinking about like because they don't feel really connected to their school, the community there. And there are a lot of clubs, organizations, sports, activities, professors, you know, the list is really long.

And that's what I would really encourage. Because when kids feel more connected to others, to meaning, to purpose, to their campus life, they tend to be happier.

Yeah. And I know we I know because of time we we could keep on going, I know. But I Yes. I think also just talking and letting them know and I think that I think a lot of people would say when my parent expresses confidence in me that I can't get through something. Maybe not right now or maybe I need the skills or maybe that something needs to help but that they believe in me.

Mhmm. Yeah.

That goes a huge like no matter what the problem is. I believe in you. I have confidence in you and I got your back. I think is a message that they wanna hear as well. They might notice the disappointment and they might interpret that as something different.

But if you reinforce the fact that you also believe in them overall, I think is really huge. That

is so important.

Yeah. To feel

yeah. Well, because I feel like that becomes the voice in your

own head.

Right? When you hear your parents believing in you, it's like you can reinforce yourself. Like, this is hard or I don't know what to do or this is new for me. Yeah. And I'll figure it out at some point, even if it's not right away.

You know? I can figure it out even if it's hard. Right?

I just you know, to distill this down into sort of, like, one behavioral tip to take away, it sounds like you're saying, join something. Try out a club. You know, try out, if if you play music, a music group or or whatever it might be. Take that risk, if you're feeling nervous, and approach someone to inquire about that. But if you make that a goal, kind of like, you know, you have to go to class on the first day, but I'm gonna try one thing.

We got great advice on another podcast to not only try that one thing or sign up for that club, but then be willing to stick with it for a period of time, whether that's a month or four sessions. Because it's it's it would be normal to feel a little out of place or to feel nervous about it, but that doesn't mean it's the wrong place. But it takes time to build relationships because your point is so well taken. The not for all teenagers, but for many teenagers. They've built relationships over many years in their home, in their high schools, and whatnot, some of them since fourth grade sort of thing.

And you can't make that comparison going to college. Mhmm.

It takes time.

Right. Yeah.

Yeah. That curiosity piece. Be curious about new clubs. Be curious about new kinds of friendships. Ted Lasso says it, right?

Yeah. Says, Wise, wise Ted.

Always goes back to Ted. Well, listen, we have enjoyed this conversation so much. Thank you for fitting us in on your busy day. Just can you remind everyone about your podcast and where to find you? We would love that.

Yes. Our podcast is called College Is Fine, Everything's Fine. And you can find us in all the places, know, whatever people do these days. We also have a website that has some resources. We try as much as possible to keep that going with things like tips and resources, etcetera.

And of course, I guess people just watch podcasts on YouTube now. So we're on YouTube as well.

Fantastic. We will link all of those in the show notes so everybody can find you.

I would say their podcast can be useful to college students themselves, but also to college students' parents. I think there's some really grounding and helpful information there that parents can use as a resource as well. So if you're listening to us now, check it out. As always, we appreciate you being here. If you listen to this podcast and you have you know someone with a student going to college or you know someone that maybe might have just had a rough year, send them this podcast, send them the College Is Fine Podcast.

We just wanna get information out to people.

And I also cannot believe we didn't make this. We also offer, Liz and I offer. We offer actual guidance, workshops, one on one. If people feel like, hey, this podcast isn't doing it. Thanks a lot.

But we need something more. Please also reach out to us on our clinical websites, which we'll give to you in the show notes.

Yeah. Because

we can let you know about some of the courses that we have if you've had a difficult semester and you really feel like, oh, actually, I do need those skills to bounce back. We wanna be able to offer those more, individually or kind of in a more one on one format. Wonderful. So Right. We would love to help anyone who needs that extra boost.

Great. So look for that in the show notes. We will put that there. And as always, have a great week. And now a quick word from our lawyers.

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